The Great Synagogue, Kałuszyn, ca. 1935 Yivo Encyclopedia http://yivoencyclopedia.org/search.aspx?query=kaluszyn
article origin: https://www.yomyhwh.com/zionism-part-of-judaism-rebuttal/
Is Zionism Part of Judaism?
The process of replacing old norms with new ones is at the root of Jewish communal tradition
Andrés Spokoiny is president and CEO of Jewish Funders Network.
A REBUTTAL TO:
Examining Zionist Schism
by Daniel Joseph Zawada
We share a similar lineage as SPOKOYNY from Dzialoszyce Poland was about an hour drive from the town of Zawada. Russian and Ukranian Spokoiny, like Zawada, aliyah to Israel as well.
I find myself in an uncomfortable role when defining the difference between historic authenticity and that of fictional motive when examining articles on the web, mostly in part from academia, but notably by websites engaged to a broad audience.
What gives any of us the right to have an opinion based on our experience over those who will say they are the authority and that our voices no longer matter? That is precisely the warnings from HaShem,
הֲל֣וֹא זֶה֮ צ֣וֹם אֶבְחָרֵ֒הוּ֒ פַּתֵּ֙חַ֙ חַרְצֻבּ֣וֹת רֶ֔שַׁע הַתֵּ֖ר אֲגֻדּ֣וֹת מוֹטָ֑ה וְשַׁלַּ֤ח רְצוּצִים֙ חׇפְשִׁ֔ים וְכׇל־מוֹטָ֖ה תְּנַתֵּֽקוּ׃
No, this is the fast I desire:
To unlock fetters of wickedness,
And untie the cords of the yoke
To let the oppressed go free;
To break off every yoke.
וְתָפֵ֤ק לָֽרָעֵב֙ נַפְשֶׁ֔ךָ וְנֶ֥פֶשׁ נַעֲנָ֖ה תַּשְׂבִּ֑יעַ וְזָרַ֤ח בַּחֹ֙שֶׁךְ֙ אוֹרֶ֔ךָ וַאֲפֵלָתְךָ֖ כַּֽצׇּהֳרָֽיִם׃
And you offer your compassion to the hungry
And satisfy the famished creature –
Then shall your light shine in darkness,
And your gloom shall be like noonday.
“And before one sits down to eat, one must ensure that even the poorest of the poor can feast like a king, even if only for a night.”
It’s in this moment that YHWH my God is blessed as His word states, He will not allow to go unchecked His eternal truths by the uneducated and educated alike.
As men we have no time in this hour upon us to wistfully hope upon humanity to do the right thing, regardless of their ideology, but as mankind to help one another, rather than exterminate one another.
In this regard we can be as a neutral as one is ought to be in such matters and I hope the author feels no attack upon their personna, but rather on the belief system they have embraced, whether indoctrinated by their parents, inserted teachers, or schisms within collegiate discourse, politics, employment, or personal life.
Mr. Spokoiny has my utmost respect and adoration for his accomplishments and I wish him and his family a blessed life filled with joy and wonder.
None of the following change Torah:
First and foremost one must recognize that YHWH preserved His word through multi-language interface.
If you have a hard time with that as a student then you cannot move forward from the precipice until you are well educated in this realm. Either leave your indoctrination at the door or continue to pursue life in ignorance of reality – a difficult choice.
One must count the cost of their knowledge and the sorrow thereof.
I am waiting for the day when strong characters are portrayed wearing Tzitzit like a Liev Schreiber walking down the street of New York not afraid of their own shadows. I am waiting for a UFC fighter who enters the ring wearing Tzitzit and doesn’t use antisemitism as an excuse for disobedience. Apparently the billionaires and leaders are too afraid to do so or promote such.
It’s lack of faith, not antisemitism, that keeps you from wearing Tzitzit.
It’s a vicious cycle and similar to what occurred with the Greeks in 160 BC, when they took over Jerusalem, promoting same sex marriage, false gods, idols and destruction of our culture. Again, I apologize upfront as I may come across harsh in my language but my heart is toward the people of YHWH that not one should be lost to the wolves! Nor, to academic prose when identity brings monetary gain through abusing a structure setup over centuries.
Examining what we do, as if the words communicated are not enough, I suppose one must be wheel chair bound to be taken seriously when it comes to creation, or it’s opposite, ?, and yes I just used a question mark as a word phrase. Please tell me what the opposite is.
Advanced forensics wipe out all articles, all thesis, and all theory rather quickly with short documents such as, Is Zionism Part of Judaism?
The most important aspect one can learn from these negations is that we hardly understand the things that we adamantly suggest is true. Moreover, drawing conclusions on life from previous strata is illogical as one can hardly know the minds of the time, especially when they show reclusion in the understanding of the very phrases and words used to argue their borrowed concepts.
And for those of you who deny Shoa, I don’t care if there were 6,000 who died instead of 6M! My family name was among them in Lodz, Auschwitz, Flossenburg, and Dachau.
We have toiled, thousands of hours, in our relentless pursuit of truth concerning Judaic life, the history thereof, and our very family names that tie us either forever to shoah or those who developed new theories on how Judaic life ought to be with lighting of the candles.
To each their own is all I can say. Those who would reflect on this prose will do so from antisemitic points of view. You are trained no other way. You call enemies brothers and brothers enemies. You cannot be untrained in this dilemma unless YHWH show otherwise.
I believe based on such articles and myriad of books that there must be a YOM YHWH. There is no other way to remove the false ideology as it is embedded so deep, the cancer is in the 4th stage. It’s dried up, a dead vine; dead as Nevi’im have spoken.
But that goes against the grain. All the prophets went against the grain, equally hated I surmise. Always loved and adored hundreds of years later for being spot on; we all do the exact same things the prophets despised and said would cause diaspora.
We cannot have a logical conversation about this only denial of reality.
I do not claim myself a prophet and no one declares me as such. Tanakh defines navi and in the modern world we could call them the doomsayers.
The conspiracy theorists, right?
I think it’s no different now from say… the 12th century.
People running around pretending they serve G-d for money and to retain power, making up new rules about things that occurred three thousand years ago and writing new books to make themselves a false god.
A wasted generation.
The generation who wandered the desert in their wallstreet financial lusts I suppose will be the eventual remembrance of all that is today.
Judaism has changed, at least that is what we have been told by Egyptian Muslim and French translations from the 15th century.
How many of us out there actually know the real history rather than follow willy nilly, blindly mind you, the ridiculous Judaic narratives handed down to us outside of Torah? Especially narratives by legendary sufi nagid mystics from Egypt who started a new religion for their family dynasty.
Who knew that the sufi contrived religion would sprout like a cancerous tumor and envelop Judaic life with heresy, fiction, same sex marriage, and demon worship?
“And in what is he different from both men and women? One does not burn terumah if it came into contact with his discharge. Neither is he liable for entering the temple while impure, unlike men or women. He must not be sold as a Hebrew slave, unlike men or women. He cannot be evaluated, unlike men or women. If one says: ‘I will be a nazirite, if he is neither a man nor a woman,’ then he becomes a nazirite. Rabbi Meir says: the hermaphrodite is a unique creature, and the sages could not decide about him. But this is not so with a tumtum (one of doubtful sex), for sometimes he is a man and sometimes he is a woman.'” Mishnah Bikkurim 4 Sefaria community translation
But don’t worry YHWH knows who has infiltrated our culture to destroy us and He will take care of it to be sure. We pray in unison to YHWH that all who promote such abomination of same sex marriage to disrupt and destroy our culture will receive the vengeance, the fury of YHWH, in this life and the life to come as promised.
Here is YHWH mitzvot, I remind you now apostates,
“Moreover you shall not lie carnally with your neighbor’s wife, to defile yourself with her. And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.’” Vayikra 18:20-30
So we really don’t care about your cunning arguments (read here https://blog.smu.edu/ot8317/2016/05/11/leviticus-1822/) or what you wish to propagandize the Sefaria and Jewish community with such abomination.
Any rabbinate who promotes marriage of men with men, we ask YHWH to mark them with corruption. Let all behold them and know they are marked with corruption in both their speech and in visual for all people to behold. This we ask unto you YHWH, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for the glorification of your name and for your might to be displayed to the people who serve you.
Who knew the infants growing up outside of Torah (tinok shenishba) in Europe and England would succumb to such atrocious misinterpretation of scripture? And that this abominal misinformation would snare even the orthodox rabbis of France and Spain within one generation after declaring such doctrine complete heresy.
Sure we can examine every step of the way, as we do, and can understand how same sex marriage was embraced by both gentiles and those who claim themselves as Jews through kabbalah and enlightenment.
Worse, those who pander such pretend they were actually there, both in the 12th century and first hand eyewitness accounts of the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, stamped on PhD’s with a notary signature from a banker.
As those who are devout students of Torah we understand the priviledged use of tinkok, that they are indeed used for this end to destabilize nations for the great day of YHWH. Those of you who are using them for this end are part of the chaff. Of course we know this; we are very aware that all nations will attack Israel and be destroyed in doing so according to Yichezkel.
It doesn’t matter that the atheist and the goyim have no understanding of this but reel in their confusion, as do those who believe in living forever through genomic advances.
“I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them. So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day forward. The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I have dealt with them, and hidden My face from them.” Yichezkel 39:21-24
And yes what is written above aproximately 2600 years ago is happening right now and what will happen next you migh ask?
“Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid. When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them captive any longer. And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ says the Lord God.” Yichezkel 39:25-29
We understand the gentile rule in Israel will come to an end and that all those who suffered, like the Begin family, Spokoiny, and Zawada was the great awakening to our revival and deliverance of YHWH which comes at such great destruction in history.
Those who think they can speed up this destruction do so at the dooming of their souls. Empty vessels used to plunder and destroy humanity and scorch the earth. The A.I. models showcase as much do they not? And yet they are puffs of smoke in a northerly wind, vapor from a dying fire, a doomed seed as prophesy foretold.
But this is too much to digest for academia and those engaged in survival for that day. No matter, all your plans and devices will not deviate the plan of Elohim. Just as the mighty bull is led by the ring of the nose from a child.
So here stands a rebuttal of your article for analysis. Maybe this can start a dreadfully needed conversation to close the gap between ideology generating vast amounts of antisemitism globally and the apostate works that should be removed, the cause of the ideology, so that humanity can understand both sides of the fence rather than pogrom after pogrom.
It is my hope that universally we can acknowledge in confidence we reject the Borg from Star Trek, altruistic communism, and fictional tractate that tells you to genocide Christians.
And now to the rebuttal of the full article.
Each paragraph or statements made by Mr. Spokoiny are addressed as an editorial review of the article. My response to his argument is based off how a detractor could respond in a debate and in which I play antagonist for both editing the structure of the argument while identifying etymology error that requires correction.
Yes the language is harsh as a scolding to my own kin, but not judgment of his soul, or standing before YHWH. For Mr. Spokoiny, like all of us, will answer before YHWH in either joy of His presence or sorrow of kareth.
Editorials of this type, and I stress, should not be published without such an etymologic examination and hopefully my blue pencil will help in future endeavors for those seeking to authoritate historic significance or peer review propensity.
Mr. Spokoiny statements (S:) lit in italic and my response to his public statements (DJZ:) writ in non-italic, with a tekhelet letter at the beginning of the sentence, thank you,
Is Zionism Part of Judaism?
The process of replacing old norms with new ones is at the root of Jewish communal tradition
September 12, 2021
S: Jewish history presents many instances of boundaries being set, sometimes resulting in schisms. Those processes of “separation” weren’t always simple, fast, or straightforward, but they have been a constant feature of the Jewish journey.
DJZ: The opening argument seeks an apology for recognizing faulty departures of Torah tenet.
S: Christianity is one such example. It was started by Jews, was deeply rooted in Jewish texts,…
DJZ: I have to cut right in here to stop this fiction in it’s trek. I would like to suggest calmly and with respect to Mr. Spokoiny, if you are unable to grasp the meaning and era (etymology) of the words you use to define your argument then how can you know anything about the argument you propose?
Right here is where the article collapses due to lack of proper etymology training. How can the reader move on from here when the words used are simply incorrect?
On the English side, the word “Jew” is from improper translation or slang English from “iewes” found in the Coverdale Bible of 1535 AD. And yes this is the same time as Henry VIII, approximately twelve years before his death.
The word jew is not a root word (nee), from the Greek Ioudaios, (also an invented word) or from Latin Iudaeus, but slang from the English improper idiom iewes.
Why the word was selected to represent modern Judaism one would have to ask Baron Edmond James de Rothschild who helped established the state of Israel. This “Jewish” word makes perfect sense to me since Rothchild was born in France and the word Jew was well known in England at this time.
The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 and had clear language defining the slang word Jews in use via London academia.
Let me make this clear that the word Jew is not a slander word in 1917, just an improper shortened version (elision) of iewe from 15th century Bibles.
In the Balfour document the lingo used is “Jewish Zionist” and “Jewish people,” clearly improper English translation. Once the term was written officially as a charter for a nation state this became the time stamp of recognizing nationality under such lingo, albeit improperly translated.
The nation of Israel, in my opinion, will eventually remove this terminology as history becomes more of a spectacle.
Why should English words define us?
By the 19th century Americans and the English world were fully versed with the word Jew through Germany’s yuden and the mischling of 1933.
To finalize, the word “Jew” is a modern elision etymology from British academia as recorded in the Balfour agreement 1917. If you would like to know the history of the word Jewish please go here.
It was started by Jews, was deeply rooted in Jewish texts, and was purported to present a more “authentic” view of Judaism with what it believed to be the “correct” interpretation of biblical prophecies.
The whole statement here is fallible, lacking understanding of etymology origin, and filled with assumption. Moreover, the statement attempts to address three criteria:
- started by Jews
- deeply rooted in Jewish texts
- purported to present an authentic “correct” interpretation of bible prophecy
The first problem is that the texts are not “Jewish” or 19th century English terminology defining one (1) group of people – Zionists. It may come as a shock to learn Hassidic and Orthodox DO NOT regard Zionism to be part of Judaism, and righfully so as this is a secular political ideology.
We see an absolute advertising campaign to prove to us Jews that Zionism is part of Judaism, thus the article and the personas in Israel who purport this fallacy while attempting to change historic facts and reality to make a square block fit a circle.
I understand you wish to use the word “Jew” to define all cultures in history that you “feel” belong to this group, but the notion is just ridiculous.
Secondly, what Jewish texts? Again the invention of the word Jewish comes after the 16th century from the British.
In Italy, Spain, France, Ukraine, and Poland we were never called Jews as the English word wasn’t invented until after we settled in Europe and moved within “the Pale” by the 15th century.
No one was called Jewish in Roman times, especially the Sanhedrin, the Pharisee or Saducee, Paul, Peter, Josephus – none was ever referred to as Jews. The word Israel does not translate to Jews, nor does Greek Ioudas, or Latin Iudaeus.
Your terminology is borrowed from an English translated book called the Coverdale Bible written in the early 16th century by archaic English speaking scholars who transliterated the best they could at the time under penalty of death.
The invention (slang) of the word “Jew” after the fact is due to medieval English speaking people who did not know how to pronounce Greek. The word ioudas, became the word iewe through the elision process.
These two words, Israel and Jew, would continue their trek in history since the 15th century. One correctly, the other, “jewe” a morphed etymologic elision by the common illiterate man who couldn’t tell the difference between i’s and j’s. Any other theory or quasimodo fiction is just pure baloney.
Now to the manuscripts of evidence.
Which do you choose, the Talmud from the 12th century or the Masoretic version from the 10th century?
Take your pick as that is all we have to work with besides the Greek or Latin. To be more precise we only have approximately 68 extant text to work with according to Dr. Menachem Katz Academic Director Emeritus of the Friedberg Manuscripts Project in Jerusalem.
You first need to know WHERE the extant script comes from, WHAT we have available, and HOW OLD are the text? Your statement suggest a bit more education is required on your part. You seem to be under the impression of the false dichotomy group who concocts imaginary extant manuscript from the 6th century and far better the fantasy that such script we have for the eyes to actually look at and decipher was born or written in 5th century Chaldea as according to the Lubavitch.
All fantasy to be sure and no sane legitimate archive scholar would prononuce such without being handsomely paid to do so.
Third, that’s what a prophet or the Messiah is supposed to do, but you seem to be treating the apostles as if their teaching varied greatly from Jesus based on your fascination with Paul throwing off his shackles of incorrect traditional korbanot, which Paul himself would partake directly within the Beis HaMikdash unlike any Jewish person in the entire world.
The detractors of our time, yourself included, have never been in the Holy Temple let alone committed one act of korbanot, but you find yourself condemning a man who performed this his whole life from childhood as was the Aramaic way in the Levant in 30 AD under Roman occupation.
The fascination with Saul who became Paul and the vicious, relentless, pursuit in attempting to show this man as some phony Jew during the time of Roman occupation is fruitless, disrespectful, and arrogance against YHWH.
No one in the Levant in the time of the Romans were called Jews and undoubtedly would reject the political sphere of Zionism universally as pertaining to land aggregation, agriculture, marriage, and ursury.
To believe that a modern man claiming oneself to be a Jew and that knows more about Judaic life than Paul from 2,000 years ago, who actually sat in the Beit HaMikdash, and LIVED in Israel is just too far beyond reason and logic.
There is precisely no argument here, just incorrect statements, misconception, and lack of etymology education about the subject.
Anyone can make broad sweeping statements, like the earth is flat, to the vulgar. This simply does not work on someone more educated on the subject.
S: That schism represented a dialectical process toward separation led by both Jews and early Christians. The breaking point was probably the defeat of the Jamesian faction (named after Jesus’ brother who believed that Christians—then called Nazarenes—were an integral part of the Jewish people and subject to Jewish Law) by the Paulist faction, a group that looked to convert Gentiles and replace the obligations of Jewish Law with belief in Jesus.
DJZ: Where does one start with the above, which could be described as fantasy. I would argue mere propaganda as a response, again, the irrationality of logic. The statement says “I do not believe to be a spokesperson in this regard, but rather an ill informed opinion.”
The use of the word dialectical (15th century) display to all the current trend regarding Christianity as a mental illness that require DBT (Dialetical Behavior Therapy). DBT is the first to pull up on a search engine.
What is DBT? Psychotherapy to treat your personality disorder.
What does dialectical actually mean?
From 1540s, “of or pertaining to logical disputation, relating to the art of reasoning;” https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=dialetical
…led by both Jews and early Christians. The breaking point was probably the defeat of the Jamesian faction…Paulist faction, a group that looked to convert Gentiles and replace the obligations
All assumption and fantasy by someone with little philogic understanding of Christos, Judaism, or the translation of the word “Jew”.
S: Originally, Jewish authorities were split, some favoring the exclusion of the Nazarenes, while others considered them to be simply another of the era’s many sects.
DJZ: Again, another broad statement that could be filled with at least a dedicated chapter instead of flat semi-fictional drivel.
S: Eventually, the rabbinic authorities of the time understood that Christianity, with its belief in Jesus as a resurrected messiah, put them “beyond the pale”;
DJZ: What time frame are you referring to, the 14th century? Certainly not the first century, as it’s 180 from what you say.
The “authority” was terrified after the events and assured that YHWH was going to judge them. The majority of Jerusalem believed that Jesus was indeed either a resurrected prophet according to Pharisee, or the actual anointed of YHWH. If you believe any other narrative about this time frame you are simply writing propaganda for a side of the fence.
Lets at least be honest here rather than spouting baloney. Jesus has been declared Mashiach for 2,000 years. Original Israelites who lived in the Levant serving within Beit Mikdash declared Him as such, as do modern Jews (after the 16th century) like myself who declare Him as such.
The only ones who continue to deny Jesus as HaMashiach are those who started a new religion in Europe based off Egyptian lore and French revisionist rabbi living in diaspora. If you believe a different narrative it’s either propaganda by atheist group think, by those who misinterpret Torah with fictional ideology (same sex marriage reformists), or those who cannot accept the fact YHWH removed korbanot for betraying their Mashiach to a foreign power running Jerusalem at that time. No different than today.
The Jewish population is already innundated with lies about Jesus as a historical personna. Is it really necessary to paint further fictions and lambast the Jewish mentality with these lies? Of course we know this is political propaganda for Jews to keep believing Christianity is the enemy so we don’t convert and control politics.
S: (continuing paragraph from previous) the Paulist rejection of Jewish Law was the last straw in that separation process. A key factor was, simply, that the overwhelming majority of Jews had rejected Jesus’ divinity. Rabbis were not only defending orthodoxy but channeling the majority sentiment as well.
DJZ: The first step to recovery is realizing you have an etymology problem. Reading the article is difficult based on seeing modern words used to describe culture and life thousands of years before the words were invented. Fix that.
There has never been a Jewish law in history before 1948, sorry. We are tired of groups attempting, with cunning speech mind you, to include 2,000 years of halachic communal law as equalling “Jewish law” mandated under the British government determining taxation by the Crown. I don’t know how much more we can be clear to these secular organizations claiming the entire Judaic origin,
ISRAEL AND THOSE WHO SERVE TORAH REJECT YOUR “JEWISH” CLAIM OF OUR HISTORY & CHUMASH.
As a Zionist from England, or in general, you’re unable to include any law from the 1833 Judicial Committee of the Privy Council concerning the use of the word “Jewish” simply due to the fact the term was to define a people taxed under the Crown living in Palestine after 1922.
Until Israel became a nation in 1948, thereby as a legal organization able to render law, “Jewish law” came into existence as laid out in the Balfour agreement of 1917, legally to govern a nation, or an agreement to be established when the nation was formed by 1948, which is common sense honestly. Once a nation or government forms, it then issues law.
However, the majority who claim to be Jews, are atheist based on data from Israeli polls, which Torah states is illegal. Do I really need to provide a link for that data when it’s so well known? They neither believe in Jesus, Torah, or YHWH as according to stats out of Israel.
How did the rabbis defend “orthodoxy” a French word invented in the 16th century from the Latin orthodoxia? You do realize that the word orthodoxy does not define hassidic origin or rabbinate ideology, but “conformity to the Church creeds.”
know the history of the words you use.
What is the term… if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the literal kitchen?
Next thing you’ll be telling me is that the Babylonian Talmud from 1342 AD was made in 5th century BC.
S: Eight centuries later, the Karaites, of the Karaite movement led by Anan ben David, presented similar but different dilemmas. The Karaites believed that only the “written Torah”—not its rabbinical interpretations, called collectively “oral Torah”—should be the basis for Jewish observance.
DJZ: The correct terminology for oral Torah is Shebealpeh and derabbanan (of the rabbis) for rabbinic decree, which can be issued orally or written, in either case, Posek determine halakha,
“The Tradition (Hamasoret, in Hebrew) was, orthodox Jews believe, faithfully transmitted across the centuries, through popular practice and verbal repetition, until it was largely committed to writing in the Nakh, the Talmud and other Rabbinical texts. Existing Jewish law, then, claims logical descent from, not only the Written Torah, but also the Oral Torah.” Avi Sion, PhD
This was an accepted belief since Hillel, but one must account for diaspora in AD 70 which widely dispersed the doomed Herodian kingdom. Vast archives of data were lost and need to be rewritten under Hillel, but again this is all speculation of who authored the material as there is hardly any evidence, not unlike the article.
The Karaite argument, still ongoing today as well with the Yemeni, who out-date modern Judaism by a thousand years, is mere plaintiff of European fiction or aggadah attached to Torah, like hanukkah.
S: Karaist-adjacent attitudes had been present in Judaism since the time of the Second Temple (Abraham Geiger, for example, proposes that Karaites continue some Sadducean traditions). But in the 10th century the movement enjoyed a golden age of sorts that demanded a definition in terms regarding its role in Judaism.
DJZ: The first statement envisions a fictional alternative. The Golden Age you presume was established in Poland not Leningrad. But you can thank the Masoretes for teaching you vowel points and rewriting the Aramaic language, ten centuries after Tanakh had been preserved by Greek. Of course you know Greek was the written language of the Levant in the time of HaMashiach Jesus, who was not Jewish.
No Israelite in the time of Jesus was the Brit-ish invented word Jew-ish. This was a well conceived confusion technique that worked on the vulgar, or common people.
Historians, etymology experts and those educated in philology, as Jews, reject your fictional star wars stories as a way of replacement culture.
S: Rabbinical opinions diverge, as they often do, about how deviant Karaism was; but a consensus developed around the notion that Karaim were not, as a community, part of the Jewish people.
DJZ: Deviant… LOL. I believe the karaite will strongly disagree with you about being separate from the descendants of Israel and undoubtedly have more of a lineage claim than Prussians. Karaites argue in fact “Jewish people” are Europeans, Russian, Polish, German in which the counter argument is ridiculous.
It might be the reason your last name ends in Stein or Berg, or perhaps our names Zawada and Spokoiny from Poland and Russia?
Just think about it.
While you think about it I want you to understand the karaite community you say no longer exist is much older than Chabad Lubavitch. And while Chabad was figuring out Torah in Lithuania, the karaite had communed a thousand years from the Levant as a separate Ioudaic sect opposed to shebealpeh the entire time! Trying to grind out a reason for this is futile, a waste of time.
This explains why certain groups can’t stop complaining that Karaite are still around. More of an insult, the audacity any Jew would suggest Karaite require an invitation to serve something they had done a thousand years longer than the group making the claim. Fascinating is all I can say regarding the argument between Hassidic and Karaite.
Yet every group will find something to gripe about based on what a “teacher” in history is purported to have said.
S: Most medieval Jewish sages, notably Rabbi Yehuda Halevi, wrote powerful justifications for that exclusion.
DJZ: Here again you use a 12th century French word, sage, which is from the Greek sophos, σοφὸς which translates, “Greek wise men who worship Greek idols,” The Sphairos of Empedocles.
A fallacy many uneducated doctorals make when lacking philologic training. Fast forward to when the famous French rabbi Rashi started using sophos to define rabbis and you have your answer for ALL translation concerning tractate and the use of the Greek to French sage today.
“Karl Ludwig Michelet wrote that ‘Greek religion culminated with its true god, the sage.’ Pierre Hadot develops this idea, stating that ‘the moment philosophers achieve a rational conception of God based on the model of the sage, Greece surpasses its mythical representation of its gods.’ Indeed, the actions of the sage are propounded to be how a god would act in the same situation. We see the origins of the word sage in the works of Empedocles, Epicurus, Horace, Plato, and Aristotle.[link]
Those of us who study tractate are familiar with Empedocles poems on katharmoi and undoubtably the tractate author(s) make use of Greek work and history throughout tractate (ex: Sanhedrin, Gittin, Shabbat).
“When the self has thus isolated and returned into itself, says Marcus (Aurelius), it can be compared to the Sphairos of Empedocles. For Empedocles, this term denoted that uniﬁed state of the universe when it is dominated by Love, as opposed to the state of division it is in when dominated by Hate. While in its state of unity, the universe is perfectly round, delighting in its joyful immobility. In the philosophical tradition, Empedocles’ Sphairos had become the symbol of the sage, ‘completely within itself well- rounded and spherical, so that nothing extraneous can adhere to it, because of its smooth and polished surface,’ in the words of Horace.” Pierre Hadot, The Inner Citadel p.135 at link
Can you see why Rashi selected the word?
As can be seen the word sage(s) is not from Hebrew as defined by encyclopedia.com, nor does the word reference anything from Judaic history. However, since modern English translations of Talmud tractate contain 20,000+ uses of the word sage, encyclopedia.com felt the need to fictionalize the history of the word to make it appear as a Jewish use of origin rather than from 15th century French/German printing. Nice try, but we caught you.
“The sages were the active leaders and teachers of the Jewish religion from the beginning of the second Temple period until the Arabian conquest of the East.” encyclopedia.com
Are you sure Mr. encyclopedia? The French word sage from Greek wasn’t invented until the 12th century!
Encyclopedia.com still refuses to update their fictional data about our Jewish history and I’m starting to get angry about it. They could start by citing the correct use of the Greek word σοφὸς by Empedocles and Plato and that they are GREEK words, not Hebrew words. And that’s why it’s so important to watch out for these charlatans changing history to fit their fictions.
“Rava said: The term epikoros is referring to one who conducts himself like those from the house of Binyamin the doctor, who say: In what manner have the Sages benefited us with all their Torah study?” Sanhedrin 99b:19
Naturally the use of the word sage proves the tractate was written after the 12th century (Medieval Norman literature).
“Within a century, they had adopted French ideals and customs and had become a very polished and intellectual European people. It is said that the union of Norse and Gallic blood had produced a culture that had the best qualities of both—-the strength and energy of one and the curiosity and imagination of the other. So when William came with his Normans (1066 AD) they were hardly the ‘heathens’ who had sacked Northumbria over a century previously. They brought an intellectual curiosity to England and a cosmopolitan vision of the world.” D.J. Kingdon
The verse from Sanhedrin translates, “If you disagree with a sage, then you are disagreeing with a god and become epikoros.”
“The sages single out the epikoros as one of the four kinds of heretics, Jews who lose their immortal souls, an eternal death sentence. But the word sticks out because it doesn’t sound like anything Hebrew and doesn’t have any precedent in Aramaic. It obviously seems to refer to the great Greek philosopher Epicurus (341-270 BCE).” https://davidporush.com/2019/10/31/why-does-the-epikoros-lose-his-soul/
Yes, the author of Sanhedrin was referring to Greek philosophy including the Shabbat cave story,
“They emerged from the cave, and saw people who were plowing and sowing. Rabbi Shimon bar Yoḥai said: These people abandon eternal life of Torah study and engage in temporal life for their own sustenance. The Gemara relates that every place that Rabbi Shimon and his son Rabbi Elazar directed their eyes was immediately burned. A Divine Voice emerged and said to them: Did you emerge from the cave in order to destroy My world? Return to your cave. They again went and sat there for twelve months. They said: The judgment of the wicked in Gehenna lasts for twelve months. Surely their sin was atoned in that time. A Divine Voice emerged and said to them: Emerge from your cave. They emerged. Everywhere that Rabbi Elazar would strike, Rabbi Shimon would heal. Rabbi Shimon said to Rabbi Elazar: My son, you and I suffice for the entire world, as the two of us are engaged in the proper study of Torah.” Shabbat 33b
Norman literature mixed with Sufi Maimonidian subtle manipulations of script, and Greek interlays caused devastating changes to the Judaic communities who would unite together under a new European banner of Talmudic logic that would be molded through Crusader crimes and murder.
Authored by some of the greatest writers in Judaic literature, Rabbi Shlomo Yizhaki (Rashi 1040-1105 AD) developed in youth under the famous Yeshivot of Worms (Varmayza in Germania), under the tutelage of Judah ben Samuel. He was masterful at using French and Hebrew combines in literature with, in my opinion, a relaxed descriptive personality that got right to the point.
“Rashi had three daughters, Joheved, Miriam, and Rachel, but no sons. Each of these learned women married one of their father’s students. Their sons continued in the family’s scholarly tradition as Tosafists, later Talmud commentators who often disagreed with Rashi. Joheved, (2) the eldest, and her husband, Meir ben Samuel, had four sons as well as two learned daughters. Their son Samuel-Rashbam-wrote commentaries on the Bible and Talmud, and while still in his twenties, he assumed leadership of Rashi’s yeshiva when his grandfather’s health declined. Joheved and Meir’s youngest child, Jacob, became the greatest of his brothers. Also known as Rabbenu Tam, he founded his own yeshiva and became the leader of Ashkenazi Jewry, presiding over a synod attended by hundreds of noted rabbis.” link
“The original printed Bible text by Daniel Bomberg in 1517 included Rashi’s commentary. That commentary became so popular that there are now more than 200 commentaries on his commentary.” Jewish Virtual Library
Rashi’s literary feats would be second to none for European rabbis, defining Talmud broadly under his benevolent daughters and Yeshiva.
Example of Rashi commentary,
By the 15th century Talmud had become enamored with French literature, sufi traditions, charm protection against crusaders, and demon conjuring for protection. Largely through rabbi such as Eleazar Ben Judah whose family was murdered by crusaders, Torah would become a secondary study in many communities as compared to worshipping sages established by Rashi, as infallible.
Karaites have notified Jews about this for over five hundred years! But who is listening?
The tares will continue to grow amidst the wheat until harvest time.
“Son père est un sage.” – His father is very wise. (French to English)
If the rabbinate provided the tools wherewith you could identify your fictions, then you would be eradicating your own ideology. Thus, the community is forbidden to employ such tools until fully indoctrinated.
I have written extensively on the paradigm use of the Greek word, σοφὸς (sophos) to French word sage and how absurd it is for any Jewish person to use this word to describe rabbis. Although the etymology is clear and the error grievous it may take some time for those entrenched in orthodox tradition to break off the clasp that bind them to Greek, European, and Egyptian lore. Or you can just keep believing the fictions, either way.
However, I must say from an academic perspective of those that understand this etymologic truth – failure to understand word origin is terribly ridiculous and deserves osternation. If your expertise is koine Greek the translation to sage is blissfully obvious and cringe worthy for those who claim to be descendants of Israel.
S: It wasn’t so straightforward, however, for individual Karaim. Maimonides, for example, says that a Karaite can’t be held personally responsible for the beliefs that his parents instilled in him and should be allowed back into the Jewish community if that’s what he wants.
DJZ: I agree that ger should not be held responsible for their parents belief in Egyptian Arabic doctrine and Sufi mysticism by the Maimonidean dynasty and all Jews should take steps to remove these fictions from interlacing with Tanakh in any way shape or form. Especially, the anti-Christian final solution found in the Laws of Idolatry.
S: Today the Israeli chief rabbinate considers some Karaim to be Jews, even though they are not considered, as a group, to be part of the Jewish people. Here again, it was critical that the majority of the Jews of the time rejected Karaism.
DJZ: To be part of the Jewish people? You do realize that Judaism, by Israeli law, is not an ethnic culture, but a religion right? The use of “be part of the Jewish people,” is a phrase borrowed from “be part of the church, or be part of the body of Christ,” as clearly the language is hybrid from the original.
Nor is there logic in some lineage unity other than a theory that you belong to a lost tribe from Indo-asia. Israeli law is specific, you must believe in Torah to be Judaic and not to have converted to another religion.
This also DOES NOT define citizenship in Israel. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the law. Perhaps take a look at the government website.
S: In other cases, like the followers of the false messiah Sabbatai Zevi, a herem (excommunication) was applied, signifying that he and his believers were not considered part of the community.
DJZ: These are two very separate cases. You are literally saying that Sabbatai, a false messiah birthed from Rabeinu Avraham haChassid sufism, is the same as disagreeing with oral Shebekhtav? Thus the excommunication.
The Rambam was also excised as a heretic, now what?
There is no logic or analogy in your statement – just an incorrect reference in an attempt to prove your point. The article is rife with juxtaposing your negations. You are negating your argument with your contrast. Please analyse your prose.
S: The setting of boundaries wasn’t easy in this case either. Many prominent Jews believed in Zvi’s messianism; entire communities celebrated his arrival and some in Hamburg and Amsterdam sold their property and moved to the Holy Land in anticipation of redemption.
DJZ: Quite honestly the reception to Sabbatai was profound as compared to Rambam, who was considered a heretic right up until his death. However, Sabbatai converted to Islam, just as Rambam had done to avoid exile, or in Sabbatai’s case, arrows and a spike for breakfast. Donmeh under Islam was a period of history all Jews would like to forget or rather shove under the janamaz!
S: The popularity of the movement was such that Rabbi Abraham Sasportas, a leading advocate of the herem, was harassed and ridiculed. But the majority opinion shifted dramatically when two major lines were crossed: Zvi’s declaration that many mitzvoth did not need to be fulfilled anymore and, of course, his final conversion to Islam in 1666.
DJZ: No different than the Rambam, who omitted verse and rewrote halakha while living and laying to rest in Egypt which VIOLATES mitzvot. It’s forbidden to go back, live and die in Egypt and YHWH doesn’t care what kind of argument you can imagine. If you change the mitzvot you are kareth from being part of the covenant of YHWH or being a Jew. https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/there-are-not-613-biblical-commands/
S: Not every polemic in Jewish history resulted in a schism or exclusion. The emergence of Kabbalah after the 12th century and Hasidism in the 18th century, for example, were both close calls.
DJZ: If you call replacing Torah with Talmud aggadah close call, what do you call a disaster?
Kabbalah only emerged again due to the Maimonides nagid dynasty, which led to a Sabbatai. After the 19th century the replacement became altruistic communism under the Baal’s up until this day.
S: The “orthodoxy” of the time was extremely nervous about kabbalistic descriptions of the “inner life of God,” which to them appeared dangerously close to polytheism.
DJZ: Incorrect, once again it’s 180 from what you say.
Orthodoxy again, is a Christian word you are using to define the rabbinate. Kabbalah was considered the upper echelons of Talmud to be taught after the age of 40…
Have you never read the Zohar or the lock and the key?
S: Hassidism posed many dilemmas; the most serious was likely the role attributed to the “rebbe” as a sort of intermediary between man and God.
DJZ: Now you’re starting to hit the nail on the head. Rashi and the new invented French word “sage” defined the rabbinate commentaries as meaning the voice of Elohim,
Nachmanides, “The wisdom of the rabbis of the Mishnah and Talmud, as well as the Geonim (rabbis of the early medieval era) was unquestionable. Their words were to be neither doubted nor criticized.”
“We bow before them, and even when the reason for their words is not quite evident to us, we submit to them.”
Sage status is considered “divine” and “infallible” to degrees based on the sect you are from. So the answer is yes, the rebbe becomes your god or Tzadik Moshiach candidate.
S: These fights were, in fact, more vicious that those we see today between Zionists and anti-Zionists, including some episodes we’d all prefer to forget, such as denunciation to the czarist authorities, imprisonment, and the like.
DJZ: There are all kinds of fictions that you could be communicating here which require address motion by motion. More importantly the secular use of the word “jew” today describing everyone who claims roots to ownership in the Levant whether from a true or false narrative.
S: The leading rabbi of the time, the Vilna Gaon, led the Misnagdim (opponents) and issued a ban against the Hasidism. Over time, however, a consensus seemed to emerge; as long as these new movements did not reject the monotheistic idea and continued fulfilling mitzvoth in a traditional fashion, they were considered “within the pale,” even though the divisions between Hasidim and Misnagdim continue to this day.
DJZ: That’s the second time you used the phrase “within the pale” an English phrase which means Ireland. You love your Brit(ish) phrases. The division you speak of is the fact that over 50% of “Jew(ish)” claim secular belief, or anti-Torah.
I quote Noa Tishby, born in Scotland, currently in headlines for promoting Zionism as you are doing, “There’s a worldwide war right now on truth and facts.” I agree and it is coming from people and groups who are distorting truth to Jews to make them more secular.
How is it that we are seeing pro-Zionist ideology straight from English citizens? That’s where it was invented – in England by the British Zionist Federation – politicians, not Israel.
Please explain to me the secular when Israeli law states you must believe in Judaism (Torah) to be considered Jewish. Thus, the ongoing dilemma.
S: In the 1970s, Jews for Jesus, the most visible face of the Jewish messianic movement, presented yet another dilemma, for they claimed to be fully Jewish while recognizing the divinity and messianic nature of Jesus as the Son of God.
DJZ: Here we go, Jew on Jew antisemitism.
Mr. Spokoiny lept right over the 18th, 19th, 20th century and origin of Zionism just like bar DeRoma, right into Jews for Jesus!
What is fully Jewish? Have you ever asked yourself that? I can tell you what it’s not. It’s not your personal interpretation or the “Jewish” description of Torah life in 686 BC, lets be clear about that.
You can’t be full Jewish or half Jewish. But why is that? One simple word – korbanot.
For those who know nothing of korbanot or Torah requirement of Vayikra make bold statements like, “claimed to be fully Jewish;” the phrase itself is child like. Not from an insulting manner, but rather innocent from one who doesn’t know any better.
None of us “Jews” can be fully Jewish, or half Jewish, whatever that conveys. Without Beis HaMikdash you can only receive korbanot from Mashiach. Moreover, the word “Jewish” is a 19th century English word, not a Hebrew word, or a Polish word where much of modern Judaism originated from.
The very use of an English word to define your lineage proves the incorrect assessment and education of our actual history.
S: Consensus in this case was easier to reach. Not only rabbinical authorities but ordinary Jews tend to think the frontier of Judaism stops at belief in Jesus.
DJZ: Of course this has always been a 19th century propaganda opinion, one that does not jive for centuries in Kaluszyn. I can make the statement that if you are unfamiliar with Kaluszyn then you are not Jewish. Just like you are trying to convince us that if we do not agree with Zionism we are not Jewish.
The European and English “Jewish story” is not a sabra Levant story. It’s an imported version of history combined with the history of the Levant from Biblical analysis. If anything your statement means the opposite of what you propose, similar to other statements within your article.
The frontier of Judaism started with belief in Jesus and all of Israel doomed to diaspora would be forced to either accept the Mashiach in which they rejected, or live out the remainder of their lives seeking to be tamiym without korbanot. This has been true for 2,000 years and no amount of argument can asuage history.
S: In fact, in a rare moment of unity, all Jewish denominations signed on to a declaration that said that “though Hebrew Christianity claims to be a form of Judaism, it is not…”
DJZ: Again, denominations of a group of people who “say” they represent all Israeli tribes on the planet. I’m sorry sir, you do not, and we reject the aggadah. The Zawada were here before the word “Jew” was invented. Our shtetl’s existed in the Partitions of Poland and we suffered diaspora long before the phrase “Jewish Zionist” was invented.
S: The idea that a new movement can gain acceptance and become normative to the exclusion of others is at the root of Judaism as we practice it today.
DJZ: This is a communist ideology. Of course, and just like all fads this Will pass as Israel is restored by YHWH and the secular gentiles, whatever name you wish to give them, are eventually removed. Lets not sugar coat the reality of Beit HaMikdash.
S: Zionism is indeed a “new” movement. It is of course deeply rooted in Jewish history and belief, but it is clearly a product of the historical realities of the 19th century, in which groups of humans bound by certain particularities started to see themselves as “nations” and “peoples” with the right to sovereignty and self-determination within the framework of a nation-state.
DJZ: That wasn’t it at all. It was simply YHWH and prophecy which you chalk up to “peoples and insight” when again stark reality says half the nation is atheist. Your logic is flawed.
S: Some activists cite this supposed novelty as an argument against making Zionism a key parameter of belonging to the Jewish collective. How, they ask, can a movement that is so new become the litmus test of belonging to an ancient people?
DJZ: The mere question is the fallacy. The answer is “it can’t.” Just as the Crusaders and Caliphate couldn’t (the negative aspect is judgment).
Did you forget who owned the Levant for 900 years under YHWH? They shouted “Allah” daily for 900+ years. I guess all those years meant nothing to the descendants of Israel who never left, in whom you say Zionists replaced. Think about that.
S: But the idea that a new movement can gain acceptance and become normative to the exclusion of others is at the root of Judaism as we practice it today. Rabbinic Judaism triumphed over the Temple-worshipping priestly caste and redefined the basic tenets of Judaism.
DJZ: That’s called apostacy for the educated and in which YHWH promised to eradicate, as He did with korbanot, which caused cognitive dissonance in perpetual until Mashiach. Your statement, “Rabbinic Judaism triumphed over the Temple-worshipping priestly caste and redefined the basic tenets of Judaism,” literally tells the audience that you do not understand that YHWH REMOVED KORBANOT.
This also defines that you believe modern Judaism defeated the “old ways” of Torah mitzvot. Do you also call Torah the Old Testament? According to Torah, anyone who believes or follows such ideology is kareth, or completely cut off from YHWH until you repent of such in both action and deed.
The use of “Rabbinic Judaism (European Judaism) triumphed over (the people accepted the apostacy) the Temple-worshipping priestly caste (actual Israelites and Levites serving HaShem)” paints the complete aspect of rebellion to God and why diaspora occurred in the first place. If you read what you actually write you may come away with some enlightening conclusions, or not.
S: A new movement, in this case the Pharisees, changed the normative positions of Judaism over the course of a century, then excluded from the community those who didn’t share them. Pharisaic Judaism was as “new” in the first century BCE as Zionism is today.
DJZ: That’s an incorrect analogy for a host of logical reasoning. One major being Pharisee actually sat and worshipped in Beit HaMikdash speaking Aramaic, not Hebrew from the 10th century. At any rate, Zionism is a political movement not a “religious” movement so your comparison is flawed. Neither believe the same ideology.
In fact, Zionists would undoubtedly be considered extreme heretics, as well as the transgender movement, by any Pharisee coming out of the grave today. The British Zionist Federation, yes from England, is a political movement that helped establish the state of Israel and like all secular movements will be delegated to the dust bin by YHWH according to His prophecy.
S: It was as influenced by external forces (like Greek philosophy and hermeneutics) as Zionism was influenced by Hegelian views and Italian national “Risorgimento.” Yet, despite their novelty, key beliefs of the Pharisees, such as the “world to come” or resurrection of the dead, became a sort of litmus test in order to be accepted within the rabbinical community. In a way, as Zionism does today, Pharisaic Judaism introduces groundbreaking innovations and then shifts the boundaries by redefining belonging.
DJZ: Speculation and nonsense do not bode well for etymology comparisons. Just because you want something to be true doesn’t mean it is. Pharisee of Jerusalem, not “of Judaism” as again the word didn’t exist and Pharisee ideology morphed with destruction by Titus of Rome.
A Yom YHWH as foretold to come by both navi and culminating by Jesus Sermon on the Mount, the rejected HaMashiach, son of YHWH, as you said, one thing correct in this article.
Indeed Mashiach was rejected and indeed YHWH rejected the generation by removing the Temple and korbanot as foretold. A reality many are still unable to face after 2,000 years.
S: Here too, a key factor was that a vast majority of the Jewish people, especially after the destruction of the Temple, embraced Pharisaic Judaism.
In that sense, Zionism is deeply inscribed in a Jewish historic dynamic of boundary setting. If one argues against Zionism redefining the limits of belonging, one should also reject the lines drawn by Pharisees and welcome back into the fold the people they excluded—Saducees, Karaites, and Christians—as full members of the Jewish people.
DJZ: There is no logic in your statement just assumption based on brainwased ideology. You compare Zionism with Pharisee as if they are comparable, which they are not. One is a secular political movement while the other a hardcore religion practiced by actual Israelites who lived there.
Europeans and Americans, your lineage included, are conversion in either sense of the word and defined by diaspora as being born “outside of Israel.” What that means is once you have conquered a nation or taken a city and begin to reproduce in that city, you become the owners of that city, and a psychosis of ownership takes over. No different than Romans, Greeks, or any other secular party who wish to control real estate.
This line of thinking also display the “group think” Star Trek Borg like altruistic agenda made popular under the Baal’s who embraced communism in Russia and Poland. Those of us educated in the things that “you will not talk about” by our families LIVING it can address your fantasies one by one and debunk them.
S: A series of major events in the world and in Jewish history led to the emergence of modern Zionism and the resurrection of Jewish statehood in the land of Israel.
DJZ: Herein lay the problem, the belief that all tribes identify as emanating from the tribe of Judah. We do not sir, nor does the concept align with ancient Israel, Moshe, Yeshayahu, Yirmeyahu, Yichezkel, or Shemot.
S: Those events also brought the overwhelming majority of Jews to consider Zionism as a key element in 21st-century Judaism—so central that denying it puts one beyond the pale.
DJZ: Now we come to the conclusion of the argument. The same line we are always told by those who wish us to embrace their fictions. Denying your ideology makes everyone “not Jewish” or “Jewish” based on parameters you omit or remit, other than current Israeli law mind you, which cannot determine legacy, nor determine being Jewish based on lineage.
The lineage for those who rule Israel is predominantly European or other than sabra, but we are not told this by Tel Aviv University. Moreover, the preposterous DNA manipulation and vagrant chicanery of Palestinian genome data – declaring anything other than the fact Palestinians have lived there for over a thousand years, since Roman times, and the vast majority of everyone else were led into diaspora as YHWH promised.
YHWH also promised He would bring back His people from all the world, as He has done so, including the atheists and those who work against Him daily. YHWH declared He would allow the imposters to live amongst His people until YOM YHWH and the times of the gentiles being fulfilled as Jesus also stated. As YHWH forecast He will then remove all sinners from the land. This will happen as assuredly as Israel became a nation in 1948 and all the ideolgy, theory, DNA disputes and evil schemes will go right out the window.
Any mother from Israel can claim being “Jewish,” regardless of any DNA connection, either after marrying or getting citizenship sans any historic ties to Israel or living in the Levant for that matter – FACT.
Moreover, as we have seen since 1948, the mother can be an atheist from Russia, America, or China…as is occurring now, (see How did China win over the Israeli people?) anywhere for that matter and be deemed “Jewish” or Judaic to appease the law and that determines the entire lineage for the future.
Anyone of these atheist individuals can claim the entire history of the Levant to be their respective lineage and that they are all “part of Judaism” and YHWH covenant as is falsely proclaimed daily. This mere fact alone denounces the entire pro-Zionist article written by Spokoiny.
After 70 years of being an atheist Israeli citizen you can still claim yourself to be the Brit-ish “Jew-ish” until YOM YHWH. Anyone can do so, just say the words, “I’m Jewish,” regardless if you believe in G-d, Torah, or history.
We know that during the formation of Israel in 1948 an international flow of dialect, culture, and nationality flooded into the new nation, all claiming to be “Jewish” whether one was atheist or knew anything of Torah for that matter.
The reality is that the banking clan was considered indispensable in the formation of a nation.
But the truth is YHWH uses who He uses and if you want to form some new ideology from this fact laced with secular guerilla belief, whose to stop you?
Your free to believe whatever you like, whether fiction or actual historic tenet. And the use of “beyond the pale” is too repetitive for a single article.
S: There’s nothing new or intrinsically wrong in that state of affairs. In the same way that Pharisaic Judaism took a good century (and the massive dislocation caused by the destruction of the Temple) to become normative,
DJZ: Nothing after Beit HaMikdash was “normative” in regards to Torah. All korbanot had ceased and with it any means of purification, remittance of sin, or the light of YHWH protecting the once great nation now scattered – did you skip that history lesson?
S: (continuing from paragraph) so Zionism took a hundred years, the massive trauma of the Shoah, and the creation of the State of Israel to become mainstream and normative.
DJZ: It’s the same argument from hassidic, “keep us in power yada yada yada,” when we are fully aware of the ficticious arguments used to keep the population in check under the banner. No different than any nation state aligned under secular power rejecting YHWH. Anything organized for G-d outside traditional fiction on one side of the fence is treated like America in whom the party wishes to evolve.
S: Once a position becomes normative, it’s only natural that communal structures will try to find ways to enforce them. One may speak pejoratively about Judaism’s “enforcers,” but isn’t enforcement a necessary if fraught exercise for communities that seek to retain a minimum of cohesion?
DJZ: In short that means we are bullies and why not? We own the place now. Again no different of a statement than Greece, Romans, Crusaders or the Caliphate. Examine your stated words on paper and you will see that the Romans have stated very similar.
S: While the existence of ideological limits is a necessity for the existence of a community, we can argue about how those limits are set and by whom. Certainly, claiming that some beliefs don’t belong with us doesn’t mean establishing an inquisition.
DJZ: We see this theory emerge when in reality Israeli law states what you must “believe” not “ideological limits.” Those limits are set by what could be called the reform Sanhedrin made up of over 300 rabbis that move political players around in determining halakha, economy, and delegation with the WJC.
S: There are, of course, many practical issues with the setting of communal boundaries and normative positions. How does such a process even work? What are the consequences for those no longer considered within the pale? How is any of this even relevant for a community that continues to exist largely in diaspora and thus with no centralized source of coercive power? Excommunication might have had dire consequences in the 16th century, but today, most Jews would shrug or even mock a herem.
DJZ: And of course they should!
Herem is based off Elohim telling you to destroy a culture or race of people. How dramatic if one finds out that the leader, or prophet declaring such a people or city destroyed, is a false prophet!
Rambam calls for the destruction of Christians while living out his life and death in Fustat Egypt. As Torah states, all those who do so are false prophets,
“But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the LORD has said to you, ‘You shall not return that way again.’” D’varim 17:16.
- Maimonides LIVED AND DIED outside of Jerusalem in Egypt
- He wrote the Guide for the Perplexed in Arabic
- He was a donmeh physician (Islamic convert) to the court of Sultan, although historic reality is still debated
In other words, what many believe is generally referred to as a cult by the secular in Israel. Rambam was rejected for heresy his entire life. Only after his death did he become famous through his son’s edification through tractate commentary. His concepts then temporarily, to this day, changed Judaism.
Those of us who actually study gemara, actually read Talmud, the Guide for the Perplexed, Mishne, Kabbalah, and the Laws of Idolatry know that Maimonides philosophy is – a 100% final solution or genocide on cultures of people and do not represent Torah, but personal belief from a scribe who may or may not have been Maimonides.
This was taught by the Caliphate who retained no mercy for either Christian’s or Jews rejecting Islam and gave three options during the 900 year reign,
- convert and remain with your family
We can choose to believe or reject fiction.
We were told to get on the train before, they tried that already.
Those of us who study cult beliefs are appalled that any sane person, who can logically think, would embrace herem or hate ideology for economic and political control – but there you have it.
Get it together out there by reinforcing positive influence towards Christians and the flock, not negative, brutal, medieval belief in which all Jews will be blamed for because of billionaire athiests claiming they’re Jewish. This has happened time and time again in history. How many of us Jews have lost family to the pogroms, Hitler, and ideology from apostates that bring the hammer down on us?
The regular people, the poor suffer every time for our sins, but we allow them to trudge on in rebellion because they have deep pockets. Have mercy upon us YHWH, have mercy upon your people and deliver us from the apostates!
In the 1540’s Henry VIII enjoyed murdering folk if they simply did not swear an oath by him, all the while claiming he was the new head of the church. This King lived to the ripe old age of 56 and terrorized an entire generation/culture of people. keep this in mind. No one can predict when a raving lunatic takes over.
Educate yourself on these important issues, especially etymology to have a singular voice, not a collective communist voice that merits a quasimodo interlink with modern Judaism.
We reject aggadah, European tradition, which is anti-Torah, and corporate merger with communism.
S: Moreover, Judaism has traditionally policed practices more than faith. “The one who profanes the Sabbath in public” was excluded from the community, but not the one who held controversial beliefs.
DJZ: Are you serious? What about Jacob Joseph Frank? Your statement is an apology for terrorist activity quite honestly. There are too many movements to cite, namely Kahane and Irgun, that prove your statement inept. However, terrorism (murder) or doing work on Shabbos are both anti-mitzvot and fall under the same heading of disobedience.
S: The earlier examples of Kabbalah and Hasidism are cases in point. Shouldn’t we differentiate, then, between anti-Zionist beliefs and anti-Zionist “practices”? (The difference, for example, between the Hasidic Satmar community, which maintains a mostly ideological anti-Zionism, and Neturei Karta, which actively campaigns against the Jewish state.) And should the limits we set affect the individual or only ideas, as in the case of the Karaim?
DJZ: Your hyper modeling what you can’t possibly do for lack of Beis HaMikdash.
S: Halachically, a Jew remains a Jew even if she sins, so can we actually “exclude” people at all? Last but not least, “Zionism” is not one ideology but many, and if Zionism is to be a key parameter of belonging, we need to define what the term actually means.
DJZ: Your argument is the very speech that defeats modern Judaistic thought. This new idea formed in Europe and America that states, “Since we no longer have the Temple, anyone can be labeled the British term “Jew” whether they are atheist or believe in G-d, or have same sex marriage, and this determines your salvation.”
The mere British word Jew has become your salvation.
Thus, “a Jew remains a Jew even if she sins,” or has a same sex marriage, or produces pornography and filth for chatat, or agenda 2030.
YHWH spare us from the fantasies of apostates destroying your people!
Face it – our forefathers invented a new religion due to the fact korbanot is gone.
It’s gone, and there is nothing you or anyone can do about that except rebuild Beit HaMikdash.
The prophecy of YHWH and the doomed diaspora seed. Cognitive dissonance created a new religion and you are living that tale. As slightly examined earlier the etymology of Jewish Zionist is British academic slang defining our culture of people on paper in 1917. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Time stamps determine your reality.
S: All these issues are real and complicated, so much so that they may make this debate a mere thought experiment.
But I believe our community needs a conversation about limits, boundaries, and normative positions. We need it because in our century, belonging has become fluid and uneasy. There’s a deep malaise around defining collective entities, like peoples, countries, and communities. The paradigm of “without borders,” cherished by many, won’t help us.
DJZ: That my friend is where you hit the nail on the head again in your article.
- Eventually, the rabbinic authorities of the time understood that Christianity, with its belief in Jesus as a resurrected messiah, put them “beyond the pale”;
- Hassidism posed many dilemmas; the most serious was likely the role attributed to the “rebbe” as a sort of intermediary between man and God.
- All these issues are real and complicated…
DJZ: This is due to prophecy,
9 And He (God) said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
10 “Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “Lord, how long?”
And He answered:
“Until the cities are laid waste and without inhabitant,
The houses are without a man,
The land is utterly desolate,
12 The Lord has removed men far away,
And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.
13 But yet a tenth will be in it,
And will return and be for consuming,
As a terebinth tree or as an oak,
Whose stump remains when it is cut down.
So the holy seed shall be its stump.”
S: True, the attempt to set boundaries is sometimes clumsy, intolerant, and ignorant. Bad actors appoint themselves as ultimate judges of right and wrong. But two wrongs don’t make a right: The fact that limits are not always set in the right way doesn’t mean that limits shouldn’t exist. The fact that the wrong people act as “enforcers” doesn’t mean that “enforcement” is, in itself, negative.
DJZ: Who are the wrong enforcers? Certainly the wrong enforcers will never admit they are the wrong enforcers now will they? Certainly one will justify “force” to get what they want; communities, ideology, vaccination results, and anti-Torah politicians are the result of those who play the game of survival.
S: The setting of boundaries should be organic, informed, responsible, and respectful. It should, above all, represent the views and ideas of the majority of Jews.
DJZ: You mean the majority of “your” group that identifies with the way YOU believe. It can be argued Hitler did the same.
S: The acrimony of the communal debate around Israel and the general polarization of society make these conversations incredibly difficult, but paradoxically, more necessary. Historically, “anything goes” has never been the Jewish answer.
DJZ: One can argue your last statement about “anything goes” as the paradigm of Wallstreet shareholders. The NASDAQ suggest your statement to be false among a slew of other realities the average academic never approach. One is the fact that medical tyranny over populations is a long standing subject Tel Aviv University would like to avoid when discussing the Opioid epidemic under Sackler.
However, I would like to point out that with all of Sackler’s wealth and gentile wives, his dear friend reminded him of the simple truth we must always remember,
“…they will still tell us to get on that train.”
Regardless of the ideology you pander or the amount of wealth we pile up.
S: The truth is, Zionism has become key to the Judaism of a very large number of Jews.
DJZ: Yes, that is why Israel is over 50% secular, and remember you can’t be a Jew if you don’t believe in G-d. Your ideology tells us we can, as well as the rabbinate who run the place. As Spock would say, “I question your logic.”
S: On the one hand, close to 50 percent of the world’s Jews live in Israel itself, and the Zionist enterprise is inextricably linked to their lives. Denying Zionism implies disregarding and denying a critical piece of their lived experiences.
DJZ: Absolutely. So why deny the reality that Zionism is not Torah or Talmud, but a separate political/banker branch required in the formation of a nation, albeit currently a gentile one. This is denied for nationalism as in the formation of any nation there must exist cohesive unity among the population or identity, what you’re selling, to promote that nationalism. This obviously will not pan out as YHWH is our G-d and will eradicate the fictions you propose.
S: On the other hand, most diaspora Jews (surveys place the percentage in the high 80s) recognize the connection with Israel as a central part of their Jewish identities. Supporting the Zionist enterprise has become normative for most and a matter of life and death for millions.
DJZ: Anyone can argue their ideology of government determines “life and death for millions.” The real value received is by steering population to what we wish them to believe. Only then can our atrocities, failures, and cancers be hidden through assimilation and rejection of YHWH that caused diaspora in the first place. That was sarcasm of course.
S: In that context, claiming that support for anti-Zionism puts one, in some important way, outside of the Jewish people is less a point of debate than a literal description of reality. The difficulties that any boundary-setting exercise entails shouldn’t make us lose sight of this obvious fact.
DJZ: This is literally the exact phrase the editor of the Babylonian Talmud uses, “an attack on Talmud is an attack on every Jew,” and simply means that if you do not accept what is written then you are not Jewish, although we know and academia agrees, much is fiction written in the 12th century. So who are you convincing besides the uneducated or confused?
Recognize the fact that Zionism was used to establish G-d’s nation and my God, of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob rewards those to whom He rewards and judges those who He deems worthy of judgment. The Greeks, Persians, and Romans were used to preserve YHWH covenant, both it’s judgment and preservation as witnessed by historians able to stomach human travail.
We who do so warn the world of history lessons. Lessons learned by both Zawada, Spokoiny, and Begin under Hitler Nazi’s.
I warn all Jews against the thinking of the Laws of Idolatry which call for the destruction of religions who do not think the way Egyptian and French apostates believed. This is the same as Hitler – no different! And we will not be silent about this for the sake of Israel and America and the antisemitic fires you light all over the world through warped Rambam ideology.
S: This may be another one of those historical moments that call for a redefinition of the boundaries of belonging. Because this is an important conversation, we need to wrestle it away from the extremists and the merchants of hate.
DJZ: See above.
S: We need to educate the community to have these conversations intelligently and respectfully, grounded in the sources and historical experiences of Judaism.
DJZ: One that is not filled with genocidal ideology and the worship of “sages” as little gods.
S: We need a broad community dialogue that is as empathetic as it is learned. Ultimately, limits are going to be drawn. They always are; but how that happens is largely our choice.
DJZ: No it’s not a choice. The community, yourself included can start educating themselves at once by first understanding the etymology of the words you use to propagate opinion and theory.
The choice is YHWH and He has already determined that the gentiles will have a foothold in Jerusalem until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. The vine will be gleaned as promised as surely as Israel was announced a nation in 1948.
That finishes the article.
To sum up the article in all light heartedness… it’s an etymology abomination besides the fiction. I would clean it up quite a bit. Know the “medieval words” you’re throwing around as their too easy to catch and literally destroys your argument.
In my opinion, until you master the prose, I would stick to audio engagement or blue edit anything you write.
Honestly, before summarizing 2,000 years of history at least know the history of the words you throw around so loosely.
It would also help to understand Judaic origin form a neutral position as all the indoctrination shoveled into the brain naturally must face the zawada or stumbling block of philology.
Until one understand the origins of the words you use, the tools of forensics cannot be employed. This is where the rubber meets the road in academia. You either have the education, training, thousands of hours put in, or you simply have a piece of paper that can be used as toilet paper to those of us skilled in forensics.
As we know forensically, your eloqui, sentence structure displays whether your romantic, perhaps a bit cliché?
Our vast language is all summed up under etymological forensics and this determine everything you write. It determines your cogito process. Your personal stamp which tells us a story of your education, your philosophy, your ignorance, motives, and honesty.
In essence, your written work defines you and what you believe and it is your time stamp which we can examine forensically.
All I read was regurgitated ideology and advertised fictions – clone speak. Trying to convince me that Zawada should be assimilated like the Steins and Berg’s of 1830 Prussia. Nope, uh uh.
If we’re going to examine history and the results of ideology, then lets examine our current state of affairs. Pretend you’re not Jewish for one second and see the real world as it is,
- A Hollywood nightmare of entertainment where Stein’s are pedophiles and predators advertising filth for economic gain and chatat. A corporate hegemony intent or dominating resource for Moshiach distribution under a depopulation agreement. Transgender and same sex marriage pushed by organizations who claim their Jewish fighting for civil rights? Legalizing of prostitution, breaking up parcels and people in Israel for political motivation, anti-mitzvot propaganda, secular ways of living and dumping of your sinful minds onto the populations to make money while promoting same sex marriage ideology birthed from sufi kabbalah, all the while categorizing people into groups so you can more easily debase them.
What about the rights of the Jews who have to live and work with their neighbors and answer for all the antisemitic hate you generate through unethical practice of which YHWH condemn!
We, as Jews whose family survived the Holocaust, reject your idolatry, your same sex marriage, your new tractate, your fictional histories, and Egyptian ideology which is similar to the final solution Hitler tried to kill us with already!
Ethics are reaching a tipping point but it’s not too late. For those who are Christian pray for mercy from YHWH and that HaMashiach would be patient with His flock.
If you are Imam please pray that the family will be once again brought together in peace and harmony for helping the neighbor, the orphan, and the widow while being oppressed. For without oppression how shall your righteous acts deem a reward? Or how shall justice be shown without injustice?
For those who are Jewish, pray for the blessing of your neighbor for peace, harmony, and commit to chatat in your heart for unethical behavior. Be that bright beacon through righteous deeds as mitzvot so that all may mimick your good will as we are commanded to do through obedience.
Do not blindly listen to authority to castigate your neightbor who may be a descendant from the 2nd Beit Mikdash!
The Zawada survived Hitler to aliyah and may YHWH grant us survival of assimilation and destruction of the Yom YHWH sure to come.
Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, Elohim, HaEkhad, YHWH,
“You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Therefore you shall keep My mitzvot, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.” Vayikra 18: 26-30